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Chat with Baehr 3/11

By js, 11 March, 2008, No Comment

Janie Santoy: Good morning
docbaehr: Hi Janie
Janie Santoy: do you have a few minutes?
docbaehr: Sure.
Janie Santoy: about the theory paper…
docbaehr: Ok, how's it going?
Janie Santoy: we can discuss the theory or topic which we are focusing our project on?
Janie Santoy: as long as our project extends the discussion
docbaehr: Sure.
Janie Santoy: I'm researching the concept of space
Janie Santoy: but I haven't found anyone beside Saco who really theorizes it
Janie Santoy: do you have any other names that I could turn to
docbaehr: You mean other than some of the other readings we've read.
docbaehr: ??
Janie Santoy: I especially want to focus on it as a social space
Janie Santoy: right
docbaehr: Gurak has a book called Cyberliteracy which deals with space and social issues, partly.
docbaehr: Have you read any of her work?
docbaehr: She publishes pretty consistently in TC journals too.
docbaehr: Not always on the same issue.
Janie Santoy: I have heard her name
Janie Santoy: but not sure I've read her yet
Janie Santoy: I will look her up
docbaehr: Have you tried a database search too?
Janie Santoy: yes, I've done the database search
docbaehr: Thre are books and articles on the issue, it's just you have to hunt around for them.
Janie Santoy: but I keep thining I'm using the wrong terms
docbaehr: Ty Herrington has written some on it but it deals mostly with political notions of online spaces/intellectual property rights.
Janie Santoy: exactly, which is why I wanted a name to start with
docbaehr: There are quite a bit of articles in the mid to late 90s in the TC journals, too, that deal with social space.
docbaehr: I know you're not particularly interested in games, but there's a lot being done about social communities in that area of late.
docbaehr: Welch might be another possibility.
docbaehr: Have you read her book Electric Rhetoric that we had our recent reading from?
Janie Santoy: who?
docbaehr: Kathleen Welch.  She was one of our readings this week.
Janie Santoy: ok, no, I don't have the rest of the book
docbaehr: She actually has an article in the same issue of TCQ that Zappen and Warnick articles are in on physical space.
docbaehr: But it deals more with how the physical space of the computerized classroom affects work done, virtually and otherwise.
docbaehr: Again, I'm just throwing some ideas at you, since I'm not sure which will be most useful to you.
Janie Santoy: well, that is a good place to start
Janie Santoy: I'm sure those sources will lead me to others
docbaehr: Wise has a book called Exploring Technology and Social Space from 1997 that might be of possible interest, too.
Janie Santoy: yes, it seems like I've ordered 10 books in the last several weeks
Janie Santoy: my library keeps growing
docbaehr: Again, some books and articles take more of a political stance, others social, and still others technological.
docbaehr: Saco offers a good treatment of all 3.
docbaehr: That's good.  Well, maybe these few names will help you.
docbaehr: And they probably  have good bibliographies in them that might give you offshoot possibilities.
Janie Santoy: yes, I'm counting on that
Janie Santoy: I also have a question about the project
docbaehr: Sure.
Janie Santoy: I had a really hard time with the proposal
Janie Santoy: I wanted to focus on a theory paper
Janie Santoy: since I'm so close to diss
Janie Santoy: but I had time articulating what I wanted to discuss especially since it feels like the reading that I've done is only the tip of the iceberg
Janie Santoy: I guess my question is how much can the final paper change
Janie Santoy: I'm afraid that I've said I was going to do too much in the proposal
Janie Santoy: and each one of the sections I outlined will be huge I'm sure
docbaehr: Sure, good question.  I would expect most will evolve somewhat beyond the scope. 
docbaehr: If you completely change the topic, then a revised proposal should be submitted.
Janie Santoy: so we can change the topic?
docbaehr: Do you want to change it?
Janie Santoy: I had a really hard time choosing one thing to focus on
Janie Santoy: I was interested in doing a discourse analysis of several sites
Janie Santoy: but I didn't find sites that were good enough
docbaehr: As the new topic or old one?
Janie Santoy: I spent hours looking
Janie Santoy: and I figured I needed to do an analysis of what has been published already
Janie Santoy: so I decided to focus on the theoretical paper
Janie Santoy: but I think the proposal is too big
Janie Santoy: that I will have to focus
docbaehr: Not necessarily, the topic is wide open.  We wrote the description to give you maximum possible choice of topics of your interest.
docbaehr: But yes, I'd rather see you change topic and work on something you're interested in, rather than something that seems too big or uninteresting.
Janie Santoy: at what point would I submit a new proposal then?
Janie Santoy: how soon before the project is due would I have to do that?
docbaehr: When you know what you're going to work on.
docbaehr: I still have to grade your original, as is.
docbaehr: But a revised abstract/description is what I'd need for a topic change.
docbaehr: Not the full proposal, per se. 
docbaehr: But it doesn't affect your grade in any way if you change topics.
docbaehr: It happens sometimes that people want to switch–I just want to know what you're working on.
Janie Santoy: one thing that I didn't include in the proposal because I thought it would be too much is a case study of a specific site
docbaehr: I would think a 1 page revised abstract/description should suffice.
Janie Santoy: but since I hadn't found one I thought was good I didn't include it
Janie Santoy: but I willc ontinue looking and I will add it if possible
docbaehr: Ok, sounds good.
Janie Santoy: I think the whole of idea of commiting to something so early is waht had me nervous
docbaehr: So your new topic will be an extension of your theory paper?
Janie Santoy: I ussually do tons of reading on the subject before I decide what my thesis will be
docbaehr: Well, we only have 8 more weeks.
docbaehr: The semester is half gone.
docbaehr: The point of turning in the proposal at about the halfway point was to give you time to do research and writing.
Janie Santoy: well I want to focus on the discussion of race as presented in online spaces
Janie Santoy: so I want to focus my theory paper on the idea of social space online
docbaehr: Ok, that's a good general topic.  Maybe a piece of your diss.
Janie Santoy: and then focus on race for the project
docbaehr: Or exploring a particular angle or issue, or area of scholarship.
docbaehr: Sure.
Janie Santoy: well, I feel better now that I know I have some flexibility
docbaehr: That's good.
docbaehr: And it makes sense to work on something related to your diss.
docbaehr: Again, ignore what you think is expected in terms of topics and focus on what interests you (related to the course in some meaningful way).
docbaehr: If that helps.
Janie Santoy: I'll keep that in mind as I continue working on this
Janie Santoy: thanks for your help
docbaehr: Anytime.  Have a good day.
Janie Santoy: you too
docbaehr: Hi Janie.
docbaehr: Have time for quick question?
Janie Santoy: ok
docbaehr: I was reading your project proposal and thought about our earlier conversation.
docbaehr: Are you changing the topic of your final project as well, or just the theory paper?
Janie Santoy: no I was asking
Janie Santoy: since I thought I may have bitten off too much
docbaehr: Ok, so no decision on change as of yet.
Janie Santoy: what would happen if I focused on one of those items on my outline
Janie Santoy: instead of trying to do the whole thing
docbaehr: Ok, I just wanted to clarify, if you do change your final project topic, a 1 page revision is needed, but not for the theory paper.
docbaehr: I think you've got some interesting directions in this final project, they just need some development.
Janie Santoy: what was your impression of my proposal?
docbaehr: Particularly the 'raceless' and 'cultural capital' aspects.
docbaehr: Very interesting.
docbaehr: It was good, a bit short, but you've got some strong core ideas.
docbaehr: It's just working out the finer details of your central argument.
docbaehr: You provided a good outline of the project paper, too.
Janie Santoy: the more I read them more I think I can concentrate on the issue of the digital divide for the paper
Janie Santoy: and really focus on the six different types of cultural capital
docbaehr: For example, the issue of race might intersect with online identity, avatar creation, etc.
docbaehr: Or it might focus more on access, ethos, politics, etc.
Janie Santoy: and how those can help us reconceptualize the digital divide
docbaehr: Yes.
docbaehr: Or how it has already in some ways.
docbaehr: Certainly the notion of race, identity, and ethos are different online.
docbaehr: But I like how you've pinned it down somewhat to those two issues.
docbaehr: Just keep working, you're on the right track I think.
docbaehr: I think the notion of raceless threw me a bit, but I think with some explaning, you can develop that idea if you wish.
Janie Santoy: yes, that will be part of the lit review
docbaehr: Great.
Janie Santoy: several scholars have writtena bout that
docbaehr: I look forward to seeing how your argument and paper evolve, too.
docbaehr: But I just wanted to make sure you knew you didn't have to send me anything to change your theory paper topic.
Janie Santoy: ok, thanks
docbaehr: Thanks for the quick chat, bye for now.
Janie Santoy: bye
docbaehr has signed out. (3/11/2008 2:58 PM)


March 9

By js, 9 March, 2008, No Comment

Action Research and Cyberethnography

March 8

By js, 8 March, 2008, No Comment

Lev Manovich won a Guggenheim award in the area of“new media” for his book The Language of New Media

His book does, however, say that others need to make such arguments, and it also strongly advocates a cultural studies approach, which is enabling and useful for scholars who do the sort of work I do.